Pretty sure it ends with both of them calmly drinking tea looking out over the ocean from atop a rock pillar. The British killed a shit load of people just for spice in their food. [–]CatsLikeToMeow 30 points31 points32 points 2 years ago (3 children). I brought my case before our father. He was able to help Zuko find his own path, he did conquer Ba Sing Se, and was able to live the rest of his days in (relative) peace. And when Zuko was banished, Iroh stayed with him, likely because he saw the same pain in Zuko that he saw in himself. Moderator. [–][deleted] 267 points268 points269 points 2 years ago (13 children). Was just that strong. (starts crying) I am so sorry and ashamed of what I did! I think up until he lost his son, he was very similar to Ozai, maybe not quite as much of a shitty father. Entering the throne room he is anounced as Prince Iroh. It had been hinted that, at one point in time, he seemed to care about his family more. Iroh: I come home from a war that you have never seen, having paid an unbearable price in the blood of my son, to find my father dead, and my brother sitting on his throne, wearing the clothes of the Fire Lord. The water must be kept at the right temperature. And I remember it was said that he claimed to have killed the last dragon to protect them, but I assume he has killed others before, [–]italia06823834 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago* (4 children). [–]melony boidoinkrr 38 points39 points40 points 2 years ago (1 child). Rad. Iroh has more feats because he was a more recurrent character but none of his feats dwarf Ozaï. His military career was also likely backed up by his father who heavily favoured him considering the fact he didn't even required proofs of his son claims. That's been nice. He's Ozai's older brother, and should have been next in line for the throne, but after his son's death, the failed Siege of Ba Sing Se and some behind the scenes skulduggery, Ozai was made crown prince. It goes on but basically there would only be a very slim chance of Iroh beating Ozai, and he probably couldn’t finish it since he’s family. Dragon of the West vs the Firelord. Iroh vs Ozai would have been epic . Interesting argument. [–]OrangeManGood 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]hadesalmighty 12 points13 points14 points 2 years ago (0 children), Nah, my best mate and I are in our thirties and recently we were like "We should rewatch Avatar. He could of gone there himself as a tourist and used make up. Following this, he returned to the Fire Nation and wanted to tutor Zuko, staying by his side through physical and mental training. I honestly think Iroh would come out on top. The dragon part makes sense, but the white lotus is a tough sell for me. [–]ExpertManufacturer 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children), [–]redrew89 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children). [–]Xasmos 21 points22 points23 points 2 years ago (0 children). [–]Avatar: Cycle AnewK2murphy 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child). He was thinking about his family and all of the things he would get to tell them, the stories to share, and it brought him a small bit of happiness in dark times. I was just trying to make a dumb Batman joke😆. He will never get to see his son again, even though he believed he would in ATLA. Island In the Sun. Idk how many times I've seen this show, I do know it's a lot though. Unlike a brother killing a sister for power which is totally understandable. Flameo_Artman on Instagram. Thats what Ozai taught them time and time again, by the way he lead his court, to how he treated his wife to how he valued Azula's talents above all else. The avatars do not go to any afterlife. 47 is virtually his prime age-wise. Maybe, iroh did say it wouldn't look good if he killed ozai. [–]Tepigg4444 1970 points1971 points1972 points 2 years ago (79 children), I think his meeting the dragons changed his outlook on life. They never existed there. Iroh travels the world, exploring spiritual places, experiencing the world not as a conqueror, but as common man. Iroh and Zuko's arc is the perfect example of the anti-hero redemption story. So when Raava was destroyed and reformed, she lost these imprints she had saved. Ozai offers Iroh the role of general, but Iroh turns it down, claiming that he needs time to grieve. Do not request/post non-official stream/download links for any episodes or comics. Back to the present, Iroh arrives at the capitol. I'm 25 and I started rewatching this show for the first time in over a decade last week. In order for there to be law in this land, there must be someone capable of upholding it, regardless of who the justice falls upon. This is actually the best explanation on the subject I have seen. You caught him at a moment in time, not in a summary of his experiences. You were heirless and defeated. I believe that he still has the choice of passing on when he's ready. In this sense exiling him along with Iroh, was the best thing Ozai did for Zuko, because it removed him from his toxic home life. Who could contradict that claim when the king himself believed so ? A lot of thought went into Iroh's personality, abilities, and quotes, and now is the time to add a few interesting facts about the one and only uncle Iroh. [–]leaf juiceraiskream 27 points28 points29 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]IotaTheta93 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (1 child), Darn it, where are those onion cutting ninjas hiding? As far as comet enhanced feats Iroh also doesn’t fall behind. and join one of thousands of communities. Aang didn’t become more powerful, they just got a grip on the element. Since Raava is an immortal spirit, she's unable to permanently die. No. He just wanted to spend some time with the spirits before he left the mortal plane forever. Ozai is confirmed to be the most powerful firebender by the creators. Iroh created and perfected that technique. Finally, Iroh said that he was not sure he could defeat his brother separately from the brother-brother thing. Still, I’d give it to Ozai 6/10. Its not about what he deserved, Zuko was a kid, they all were kids. “I think of you as my own.”, [–]CatsAreForPussies 908 points909 points910 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]YourUncleIroh 245 points246 points247 points 2 years ago (12 children). “Uncle, you don’t have to say it!” Iroh was more of a dad to Zuko was than his actual dad, who was a monster. Zuko is bitter, self absorbed and ungrateful because thats what he has seen his father be. [–] Maybe it should be a proverb...Prodigal96 2506 points2507 points2508 points 2 years ago (44 children), “Ever since I lost my son—“ Probably not, as far as we know, but Iroh may not have known that before his first trip there. I’m pretty sure Iroh had help bursting through that wall. When Lu Ten died, probably under the orders of Ozai himself, Iroh lost the will to keep fighting, and Ozai used that opportunity to usurp the Fire Prince title from his older brother, shortly before having Ursa off Azulon, then get banished permanently. Ozai was the Fire Lord and absolute ruler of the Fire Nation during the final years of the Hundred Year War. Ozai was home schooled .... [–]Peyton_Tal 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]Ghostly-Cactus 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]Because, it's so sharpDaxLonghorn 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). Iroh refused, being unsure if it was right. Flameo_Hotman on AO3. Iroh: [–]Twinkle ToesZarosGuardian 15 points16 points17 points 2 years ago (1 child). Both demonstrate comparable raw power. Why is that? These avatar themed subreddits are fully or partially run by moderators of /r/TheLastAirbender. I have two heirs and I have never been stronger. I believe also zuko mentions it was his grandfather whose generation was slaying the dragons. He thinks about the soldiers in their graves and the families they left behind. I was today years old when I realized the striking similarities between Friedrich's 1818 painting Wanderer Above the Sea of Fog and this shot in the opening scene of ATLA. He is worried by the things Zuko has told him. I thought it was more in reference to how he'd been helping people throughout the tale, and suggesting that he's doing all this to try and make up for his son whom he didn't help. Do not post links to/images from leaked comic content. But maybe it's different if it were prime Iroh. I think Iroh's Lightning Redirection give's him an edge, as well as his general style allowing him to redirect and nullify Ozai's blasts, but if it comes down to hand to hand combat I believe Ozai's got Iroh beat there. Iroh always seems to show up when Zuko is in a pinch and would risk his life for the boy. Iroh can win, assuming Ozai is arrogant or stupid enough to use lightning. [–]Empty & Become Windmoreddie3[] 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (0 children), Big ups to everyone on this thread, all of you made fantastic points and opened my eyes in some way or another. He was the elder son of Fire Lord Azulon and Ilah, and the older brother of Ozai. whenever he speaks I can hear iroh and its nice seeing him pop up in stuff. Binged it for the first time at 31. But given his former position, that might not be unbelievable. In a fight Ozai’s biggest strength is his lightning. The rest is history, but the way it unfolds beautifully wraps up Iroh's own issues. Ozai might be more powerful outright but Iroh is a tactician and has shown an understanding of bending on a much deeper level. Too cold, and the tea becomes weak and bitter. it was a high price to pay for his 'enlightenment'. Ozai was the Fire Lord and absolute ruler of the Fire Nation during the final years of the Hundred Year War. Iroh deserves his own series. Zuko is like the Prodigal Son, or in this case the prodigal nephew... XD Have never seen a better allegory of redemption and unconditional love, and this scene does it perfectly. [–][deleted] 571 points572 points573 points 2 years ago (8 children). Maybe that's his turning point. The day before the Comet, Zuko appealed to Iroh to fight the Fire Lord in place of Aang. Reasonable minds seem to still be able to differ so it's a matter of which story we prefer. iroh pops up in strange places. He didn’t want any of it anymore. Neither could have been done when he was evil. Do you know what he said? Please help. Iroh's son died, he gave up his 100 day assault on the earth capital walls, and Ozai forcibly revoked Iroh's right to the throne. Round 2: Iroh vs. Sozin. Iroh then went on a self reflective journey, doing things such as: going to the spirit world (both for peace, and perhaps to try and find his son), joining the white lotus, and learning the true nature of fire from the dragon masters-- Iroh had lost his inner flame much like Zuko, and he didn't want to rely on hatred anymore to firebend. [–]KakkaKarrot 20 points21 points22 points 2 years ago (0 children), It's implied he was worse before his son died. No I believe he got buff so he could easily over power the guards while they have no bending. Death of his son coupled with Ozai possibly being more powerful. Afraid I’ll redirect it?!”. [–]thejokerofunfic 21 points22 points23 points 2 years ago (0 children). Wouldn't this be significant advantage? While Iroh’s past experiences show that his firebending knowledge stems from multiple sources of current and ancient wisdom from all four nations, Ozai on the other hand has a limited viewpoint of the true meaning of firebending. Iroh himself says he doesn’t know whether he could defeat his brother. He didn't strike me as a genocidal fanatic even before his son's death. If Aang could not face Ozai, could Iroh really take him?Check out more Avatar Talk! Well, Iroh can't firebend during an eclipse, though. Ozai was always a sociopathic piece of trash, and it showed very very often. He was already the Dragon of the West when he was at the seige, and I imagine it takes a long time to become a White Lotus Grand Master. Zuko: Check the FAQ for more details. By Ajay Aravind Published Aug 20, 2020. Losing his son, the dragons, and his spirit world trips (possibly to find his son?) Azulon teaches Iroh to appreciate the reciprocation of culture that is occurring in this war, fine arts and technological innovations from other the other nations, such as Pai Sho, and new varieties of tea. anyway, since i have no source, i will retract my statement. that character is named after Mako Iwamatsu, the voice of iroh, who died during ATLA in book 2 I believe. Uncle Iroh: Even if I did defeat Ozai, and I don't know if I could, it would be the wrong way to end the war. I refuse to believe that he would purposefully prevent himself from ever reuniting with his son. His betrayal of the Fire Nation in the Pole North by beating fodders or his escape of Azula aren't that impressive when it comes to characters of such a tier. The funniest part about that block list floating around is He was unable to exterminate the water tribe or the earth kingdom. He’s the best general the fire nation ever had. [–]FlashFox24 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (0 children). Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://www.google.com/search?q=iroh+explains+why+he+didn%27t+kill+ozai&source=lnms&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi1jaqq2MLqAhXSbCsKHfnFDSsQ_AUICSgA&biw=1280&bih=578&dpr=1.5. I can see how that might suggest to you that a member can have a dual role in the organizaron and in real life, but I can't believe that the organizaron would actively support and foster a person whose true aims included the destruction of that beauty or that philosophy. [–]Acetronaut 26 points27 points28 points 2 years ago (0 children). if zuko had all the resources at his disposal he'd probably manage to capture avatar and bring him to ozai, but being left alone, avatar had better chances of slipping trough his fingers. regarding the dragons, i'm not sure whether they just said he killed the last dragons or that he was one of those who caught them as a sport or smth AND killed the last dragon. The subreddit for fans of Avatar: The Last Airbender, The Legend of … She can't just go to the spirit world and reconnect with them. [–]shorin0723 73 points74 points75 points 2 years ago (0 children). [–][deleted] 156 points157 points158 points 2 years ago (6 children). We’ve seen a lot more from Iroh. [–]astone4120 613 points614 points615 points 2 years ago (26 children). Azulon felt Iroh's terrible pain after the death of Lu Ten and did not seem angry at his son after he … Iroh didn’t fight back. Zuko is an amazing display of how events shape us, and can some times mislead us, and sometimes it takes someone showing us the better path to undo the badness that's happened in our lives. Use the search function before posting. REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 26265 on r2-app-00e27b358fc45e96b at 2021-03-21 23:32:55.044361+00:00 running 8c6298c country code: US. I think iroh would have been stronger in his prime but uncle iroh against fire lord ozai the fire lord would win due to sheer strength, I mean yeah I believe he was stronger but his ideals stop him from even thinking about it, I love Iroh just as much as the next avatar fan but nah I can't say he's stronger than Ozai, it's definitely close and will be a spectacle to watch but in the end I see Ozai taking the W. Iroh wins. [–]YourUncleIroh 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]Solkre 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). [–]tokenasian1 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child). "As long as I've known you brother, you have wanted. I am sorry that you could not find contentment. Was Iroh Zuko’s paternal or maternal uncle? Look at it in Avatar Extras. But the avatar still has a physical body that can die, so the avatar's soul just reincarnates into a new body since it is unable to pass on. Mercy is recognizing the failings of others as well as your own flaws. History would see it as just more senseless violence. Before Iroh can react, Ozai is up and directs lightning at the floor beneath his feet. I assumed it was because he had a different source of firebending. I don't know how I can ever make it up to you, but I... (Iroh grabs Zuko by his shirt and embraces him). Tell me brother, would you be able to do the same? I think all feat iroh beats all feat ozai, but I think during sozin's comet ozai wins every time. All the avatars are just Wan's soul. [–]thejokerofunfic 26 points27 points28 points 2 years ago (3 children), I don't think there was an "as much as you helped me", pretty sure it was just "If only I could have helped you. Skillwise, I have little doubt that Iroh and Ozai are peers. he created a monster that will change destiny. [–]konsf_ksd 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (4 children). Seriously, who the hell would give a title to a man only based on his boasting (on top of that, such a big one). 1. The organization was predicated on the belief in philosophy and beauty above national politics. I just remember that he was known to the Earth benders as the dragon of the west at the siege of Ba Sing Se, a title he only received after he lied to everyone and said he killed the last dragon. Iroh: (In Disbelief) You wouldn't have killed Zuko. He did abandon his seige after that. It is entirely possible that Iroh chose to spare the dragons' lives and tell everyone they're extinct while also being completely supportive of the fire nation war effort and ideology. Iroh says that it looks like the nation is in strong hands and that it is better without him leading it. The love of our father, the love of your wife, the throne and all its power. [–]tivinho99 25 points26 points27 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]ExpertManufacturer 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (4 children), [–]monkeyhitman 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (3 children). like in their very first encounter, zuko had to stop pursuit, cause his only ship was buried under snow. Memes must feature avatar characters (as in images of them). While most benders at that time who could lightning bend had to take a couple of seconds, Ozai can summon lightning then shoot it in about a second, but that’s also his biggest weakness. [–][deleted] 128 points129 points130 points 2 years ago (0 children). Iroh II has been around for all of maybe 15 minutes total, cut the guy some slack. [–] BoomerAang!VanzeTehNub 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children), goes to show how much of an asshole ozai is lol, [–]Westnator 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]Mr_Splendid 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]Rax279 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]Alarid 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]mynamesnotjean 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children). They aren't in the spirit world either. If I remember correctly Iroh was Ozai’s older brother and was suppose to be next in line for the throne before his son died. Jan 28, 2021 - Explore Bewitching I.V. He raised a man who learned that there is no honor in blind obedience, no courage displayed by harming the weak, no life truly lived when repeating the mistakes of the past. I wish there was a comic depicting the relationship between Iroh and Ozai. He was broken by that loss. With such broad and intense topics such as genocide, war, grief, child abuse, poverty and greed, its easy to forget that the main characters are not actually adults. Wait, doesn't Sozin's comet boost every firebender? Too hot, and you risk burning the leaves. He’s so badass and powerful the fire nation just took his word that he killed the last remaining dragons by himself then gave him his dragon of the west nickname. I can't really get enough of this universe. Though, there was no doubt that Iroh was the official successor before his son died during the siege of Ba Sing Se. i have no sources about the firebending. Iroh had a dream he'd conquer Ba Sing Se, he was proud of his son who was in the military with Iroh leading the charge, and he was the rightful heir to the throne. iroh never actually forgave zuko when he came to beg for forgiveness. Why would Zuko have searched for the Avatar if he hadn’t been banished. We both love it! If I remember right, this is during one of the Siege of the North episodes, right before Zuko leaves to capture Aang at the Spirit Oasis. [–]Bosco Sends His Regards19peter96r 45 points46 points47 points 2 years ago* (3 children). [–]DarkAssKnight 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (1 child). [–]You're not very bright, are you?icebrotha 26 points27 points28 points 2 years ago* (0 children). I think I watch the show once every 2 years on average, and there are many episodes I watch many times a year. But Iroh's only surefire way to incapacitate/kill Ozai is successful lightning redirection. [–]Hanchan 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (0 children). If it were him, then he would have said so. was it before or after he lost his son? Iroh acts more like a father to Zuko than Ozai ever has or could, even with simple acts such as hugging the Zuko when he is down, taking care of him when he is sick, and reminding him to stay warm in the freezing north pole. Ozai had done nothing. How the fuck did Iroh turn out so good after generations of ass hats? What I’m pointing out is if those two could redirect Ozai’s lightning then there is no chance it would ever touch Iroh. we’ve only ever seen Ozai without Sozin’s comet once, and that was when he lightning bent at Zuko. So you're saying all the Avatars are... Wan and the same? I think he still has the option to pass on into the afterlife when he's ready. That and the fact that he sought out enlightenment and met dragons, [–]ProfessorHardw00d 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children). He purposefully chose to leave his body behind before it died and he entered the spirit world. I thought you would be furious with me! The story begins with Iroh returning to the Fire Nation Capitol, following his defeat at Ba Sing Se. [–][deleted] 116 points117 points118 points 2 years ago (1 child). it was also a good thing for avatar that zuko was banished. [–]UltraFreek 14 points15 points16 points 2 years ago (0 children), See, now I'd like them to make a comic featuring this, well done m80, [–]RolandTheDoctor 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child). at what point did he meet the dragons? I also think after losing his son he might have changed quite a bit. No, absolutely not. [–]SirMaQ 159 points160 points161 points 2 years ago (11 children). ", Ozai listens to it all. Both him and Azula (who is also just a child) grew up learning that violence is how you get what you want. [–]TapDancingAssassin 39 points40 points41 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]keivillarey 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children), Yes, Iroh was nagging Zuko because he's not dressed enough for the cold weather. First Tsurugi M O T I V A T E D. Jun 29, 2012 #4 We all know how great Iroh I is. if he had more than one ship he'd leave the damaged one behind and go on after avatar. In the "Leaves From the Vine" scene, Iroh says something to the effect of, 'If only I could have helped you as much as you've helped me,' which I read as Iroh citing Lu Ten's passing as the catalyst for his transformation: if only he could have saved his son's life, like his son 'saved' his. i just thought that since he has a different source of firebending, maybe he doesn't need the sun just like dragons can firebend without the sun. I believe Iroh says this as Zuko leaves to find Aang on his own. [–] Hello, Zuko hereAceofKnaves246 346 points347 points348 points 2 years ago (0 children), Wow, I never even noticed that. Ah, you're right! They build towards LoK and answer some questions left at the end of ATLA. Even if destroyed by Vaatu she eventually reappears. He was right in the middle of his seige on Ba Sing Sae and was almost successful when he received news of his sons death. And I would have had to, had not Ursa intervened and poisoned him that very night. I couldn't agree more. [–]ExpertManufacturer 39 points40 points41 points 2 years ago (8 children). [–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). [–]sanepushkar 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children). While en route, he reflects on his career, his son, and then on his family, specifically the dynamic that exists between him, his father Azulon, and his younger brother Ozai. Not cauterizing with hatred. Ozai was merely a scheming younger brother who managed to snag the throne with impressive cunning. [–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points 2 years ago (6 children), the show ended like 3 years ago bro the fuck you talking about, [–]Xavior_3 76 points77 points78 points 2 years ago (4 children), July 19th 2008 was the air date of the last episode. No, it's pretty much ugly crying all the way down. 15.8k votes, 294 comments. The avatars are all the same exact person, just with different personalities and memories. Zuko really was a good kid and Iroh was an amazing parent to him. I think his patience would win him the match because he'd fight defensively and look for an opening. I'm shook, [–]PatrickPlan8 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children). At this point it’s super jacked iroh too. [–]ouchitforrealburns 60 points61 points62 points 2 years ago (27 children). You mean when Zuko spoke out against his evil relative, and when he betrayed his dad. [–]jwinf843 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child). Finally he whispers hatefully, "You've never know defeat this absolute. the image of them both meeting again as old men in the spirit world was too much. Iron said that he wasn’t entirely sure that he could triumph over Ozai and he didn’t want to battle him and perpetuate the cycle of violence of brother vs brother. Love this sub, [–]hood_red 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (1 child), [–]Foxion7 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]adminsarefiggots 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children). Ozai, six years after Sozin's Coment, falls into a desire for the end, and a hatred for all those who have left him behind in the wake of the new world. He begins to talk about the things he's going to do for the Fire Nation, but Iroh isn't listening. he is the only one who can go to the spirit world (and was it spiritbending?) [–]Cypherex 94 points95 points96 points 2 years ago (5 children). [–]Zhaligkeer318 42 points43 points44 points 2 years ago (4 children). That's a good point i never considered. Iroh: I traded some scrolls from the Fire Nation archives for a book about it! He might know that Iroh taught Zuko the technique though, so whether he uses it is anyone’s guess. [–]MattBeFiya 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]motionglitch 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children), "He may have been your father, boy. Edit: Btw, if Nickelodeon hadn't fucked them over and they had been given 4 seasons from the start. Maybe it's because the show is nostalgic for me, or maybe it's because Iroh reminds me of my grandpa, but he still has the greatest philosophy of any character I can think of. In retaliation, he replied that he'd be sure to treat his son like trash whenever he could to "fulfill Ursa's wish", showing that even then, he was a horrible excuse for a human who never loved his son. Alone, the two brothers confront each other. (Yeah I get she didn’t die but she was locked in a prison cell for a year). I took the throne. Get an ad-free experience with special benefits, and directly support Reddit. Zuko: In terms of feats we’ve seen it’s close. [–]linuxguruintraining 129 points130 points131 points 2 years ago (0 children). [–]M3nchaca 23 points24 points25 points 2 years ago (1 child), I too will undertake this arduous journey, just to make sure, [–]tsukairin 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (0 children), I meAN I GUESS I’ll do it too He saw that boy trying to be the loyal son, soldier and leader that he had always been and he decided to try to save him. Ozai met with their father, Fire Lord Azulon, and argued that he should be made next in line for the throne. [–]ThrasherJKL 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children). By the time it got to iroh he was the last one, which we now know was a lie. Iroh vs Ozai is basically the Yoda vs Sidious of TLA. Ozai is on him before he can stand, holding a flame dagger mere inches from Irohs throat. [–]smashingjack 18 points19 points20 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]AndyJBC 31 points32 points33 points 2 years ago* (1 child), Learning from the dragons doesnt grant power, just understanding and a sort of enlightenment. [–]GinkoWeed 89 points90 points91 points 2 years ago (2 children). He remembers the idea of there only being one nation and realizes that the same pain of loss is felt by his enemies too. Tell the mailman to watch it. and its not like they were always asshats in the fire nation. [–]ExpertManufacturer 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children), he lost his son and reevaluated what was truly important. That was a beautiful thought, [–]inversethunder 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children), [–]jwinf843 33 points34 points35 points 2 years ago (14 children). roku and sozin grew up as friends. Ozai wins by a slim margin against iroh only because of his youth and pure power that we've never seen throughout the series. Thats not to say that I support burning and kicking out your kid, I just love jow complex and layered this show is. Zuko: Where did you learn all this, Uncle? But Iroh's only surefire way to incapacitate/kill Ozai is successful lightning redirection. Iroh and Ozai are brothers, yet not once in the entire show they are seen interacting with each other. [–]Moread 35 points36 points37 points 2 years ago (13 children), I feel like because he was the avatar he was sort of anchored to the real/spirit world rather than stuck in whatever afterlife ATLA has, [–]Cypherex 54 points55 points56 points 2 years ago (9 children). [–]KakkaKarrot 338 points339 points340 points 2 years ago* (10 children), I know they say in the show that Ozai is probably stronger but I cant picture in my head a situation where Iroh doesn't just massacre that man with some zen shit, He literally learned the origins of fire ending from dragons and nuked a wall that took an army a year to get through.
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